The trick with the GPS encrypted files (while making no sense on it's face) is a fundamental limitation (staying in one place) for someone who should be on the move. Her only defence is not to be found.Interesting that you mention that. The first time I watched through the episode I wondered how that would work. It wasn't until the second time through that I caught her saying her van was always parked "around the corner" to Mike when she met him face to face. I suppose if the van's always parked in the same spot, everything works until you (or someone else) move the van.
Question is what did she stash in her shirt?Why did I start laughing when I read that?
The more I think about it, the more I hate the hacker. Her lies caused every problem in the episode.Spoiler for Hidden:
So do you send in the T-1000 with no personality skills or the cute girl with absolutely no digital footprint?Apparently she does have a digital footprint as they were able to track her through her youtube video to her van in an alley...
Apparently she does have a digital footprint as they were able to track her through her youtube video to her van in an alley...
People, if you're seriously combing this meticulously for plot holes and other inconsistencies, stop watching the show now. Save your sanity. Stop watching Marvel Studios movies. Don't read any Marvel comics.
Marvel stories are thrilling stories, filled with heroics, peppered with comedy and drama (dramady!), chock-full of bad puns and swiss-cheese plots. The thing about Marvel is (on-screen and in comics), they give you enough great dialogue and pacing to make up for the terrible stories. And I say this as one of Marvel's biggest fans. I still read their comics and I love them. I love those terrible stories and the charismatic heroes and villains who star in them. It's good, cheap entertainment.
Like I always say, when I want fine literature, well I have shelves for that too.
Relax, stop fooling yourselves, and you'll be just fine. There's an old saying, "You can't scrub spots off a leopard." You can say "I don't have to accept these inconsistencies, I have a right to complain," until you're blue in the face, but you won't ever change good ol' Marvel. And thank goodness for that.
People, if you're seriously combing this meticulously for plot holes and other inconsistencies, stop watching the show now. Save your sanity. Stop watching Marvel Studios movies. Don't read any Marvel comics.
Marvel stories are thrilling stories, filled with heroics, peppered with comedy and drama (dramady!), chock-full of bad puns and swiss-cheese plots. The thing about Marvel is (on-screen and in comics), they give you enough great dialogue and pacing to make up for the terrible stories. And I say this as one of Marvel's biggest fans. I still read their comics and I love them. I love those terrible stories and the charismatic heroes and villains who star in them. It's good, cheap entertainment.
Like I always say, when I want fine literature, well I have shelves for that too.
Relax, stop fooling yourselves, and you'll be just fine. There's an old saying, "You can't scrub spots off a leopard." You can say "I don't have to accept these inconsistencies, I have a right to complain," until you're blue in the face, but you won't ever change good ol' Marvel. And thank goodness for that.
People, if you're seriously combing this meticulously for plot holes and other inconsistencies, stop watching the show now. Save your sanity. Stop watching Marvel Studios movies. Don't read any Marvel comics.That's not how it works.
But see the thing is, at that time Skye was not lying to Mike.Yeah, you're right. We know that she wasn't telling the truth, but she didn't know that. I'm still looking forward to her death.
Has anybody else read there is supposed to be a little easter egg after the credits of this weeks episode?
That's not how it works.
Comics are run by the "Rule of Cool". If it's cool, it gets overlooked and if it's not, it gets complained about.
See Shenku's post above for the second half of the Rule of Cool. ;DThere are no limits on customer satisfaction going in the direction of awesome, but there are limits on the other end. If something gets too annoying, people stop enjoying complaining about it and just stop buying/watching. I'm going to keep watching to see how it develops. There are always adjustments to a show after the pilot.
one thing I got a kick out of, this week, the logo for SHIELD was subtly changed in all the adverts. if you noticed that, you knew who the special cameo was.
I think the writing is a bit stilted. It's clearly being written from an ensemble perspective, but the creative team also feel huge pressure to make the show perform instantly from ABC because of the cost of production, so they aren't taking the time they really need to let the ensemble characters develop. Tonight's epi for instance there great hints about character backstory in a couple of spots, but they were hard to pick out for all the wham bam action, and would probably be lost on the casual viewer who is quickly going to get bored with the seemingly wooden characters who aren't being allowed natural progression.
does that make sense to anyone else?
one thing I got a kick out of, this week, the logo for SHIELD was subtly changed in all the adverts. if you noticed that, you knew who the special cameo was.
I think the writing is a bit stilted. It's clearly being written from an ensemble perspective, but the creative team also feel huge pressure to make the show perform instantly from ABC because of the cost of production, so they aren't taking the time they really need to let the ensemble characters develop. Tonight's epi for instance there great hints about character backstory in a couple of spots, but they were hard to pick out for all the wham bam action, and would probably be lost on the casual viewer who is quickly going to get bored with the seemingly wooden characters who aren't being allowed natural progression.
does that make sense to anyone else?
And did anyone else notice that 616 designation on the radio?:o OK, that one was obscure enough that I just had to look it up. I not only had no idea there was a reference being made to anything there, I had no idea what significance that number had until just now.
:o OK, that one was obscure enough that I just had to look it up. I not only had no idea there was a reference being made to anything there, I had no idea what significance that number had until just now.
:o OK, that one was obscure enough that I just had to look it up. I not only had no idea there was a reference being made to anything there, I had no idea what significance that number had until just now.
Also I was surprised recently to learn that "former Marvel Editor in Chief Joe Quesada and Executive Editor Tom Brevoort have each stated their dislike for the term Earth 616." [LINK (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth-616#Editorial_reaction)] It comes down to, basically, their (and reportedly some of their colleagues) dislike for DC Comics' Earth Prime and oodles of parallel Earths and a desire to distance themselves from that kind of storytelling.
To be clear though, Marvel DOES have its own laundry list of parallel realities and the writers DO use designations when it's necessary for characters and stories, much like Portal Corps does in City of Heroes. Fans generally seem to either like it or just not mind. It's just become one of those staples of comic books, although I am aware that Marvel intermingles its parallel realities far less often than DC and I'm not complaining about that either. 616 stands strong on its own.
Well...everyone knows deep down that the real #1 is Primal Earth, and Marvel can't write stories about that. ;D
Seriously though I sometimes wonder if designation 1 IS our real world, given some of the weird parallel universe theories that Reed Richards and other characters have mentioned over the years. You might enjoy reading about 616 far more in that case.
By the way did you know that there is a Marvel Comics company in the 616 universe?
Of course! Stan and Jack tried to attend Reed and Sue's wedding (Ben tossed them out because they didn't have invites).
I actually hate that the main universe is 616... To me, this means that it is the 615th divergence from the real world. So the stories that we are reading are about alternate versions of the "real" characters, who would be in universe 1.
I don't know the exact details, but I do remember hearing or reading that it was first used in Captain Britain.
Er, in his comic. :-[
It was my understanding that FitzSimmons are SHIELD agents
They mentioned in the first episode by Dr. Book that Fitz-Simmons weren't cleared for combat. They are SHIELD scientists, just not SHIELD agents.I did hear him say that, but it didn't really register. I figured that everyone in SHIELD has basic combat training just like the Army and police. Coulson's lack of fighting agents is really alarming.
surprisingly enough, ABC has announced they've picked up AoS for the full season.
So... Coulson doesn't appear to have some of the muscle memory he used to, eh? Vewwy intewesting.
So... Coulson doesn't appear to have some of the muscle memory he used to, eh? Vewwy intewesting.
Of course somewhere around mid season Coulson is going to get shot or stabbed and his blood will show to be a different color and he'll be a LMD or a Skull or secretly a mutant shape shifter that was taking Coulson's place so that Coulson could recover and prepare to fend off a pending inter dimensional invasion.... it could happen
So... Coulson doesn't appear to have some of the muscle memory he used to, eh? Vewwy intewesting.
So it's too bad but they seem to be pretty adamant about not having any super powered types appear on the show on an ongoing basis.
Hacker Dude: "We're in China."
Coulson: "Yeah."
Hacker Dude: "I live in Austin."
;D
So yes, they are going to be going up against organizations that may want super powered individuals or recover some super science or alien devices but with the exception of maybe RDJ looking over FitzSimmons' notes on something I doubt we'll see anyone (OK, maybe they run into Darcy, except she's on another network) from any of the movie franchises or any hero/villain that they may want to use in a movie franchise.See, that's the problem. that idea starts to run thin pretty quickly. It's also why a lot of people, myself included, gave up on Alphas. When you have a show which is ostensibly about superheroes and the people that surround them, you expect to see them doing super things. Right now this show is treading a dangerous line of being too glib and cheeky, with very little pay off on the promise of "the agents of shield" living up to that vaunted organization. for instance, it was rather strongly alluded that the geegaw from episode 2 was nazi/hydra technology which had somehow been sent back in time 1500 years. yet I highly doubt that we're going to get a payoff on time travel because that would be too "super " for the show as it's been progressing thus far. it's POSSIBLE it was a tease for Cap2, but unlikely since that movie is not set in WWII either.
Hey, Joss did it to Buffy...
See, that's the problem. that idea starts to run thin pretty quickly. It's also why a lot of people, myself included, gave up on Alphas. When you have a show which is ostensibly about superheroes and the people that surround them, you expect to see them doing super things.
It's akin to tuning in to a show about the Navy SEALS, and watching them do nothing but paperwork and laundry all day long while talking about the cool stuff they do when you're not looking. pretty soon the joke wears thin.
As others have said, this show needs a consistent antagonist if it's going to keep going along, because they're not really executing "crisis of the week" very well at this point. at least IMhO.
Of course. Joss has said many times in many interviews that the show is about "ordinary" people living in a super hero/villain world. Of course "ordinary" is a little redefined with "The Cavalry", an agent with scores 2nd to the Black Widow, a pair of science nerds that are two halves of a very big brain, a super hacker and a man that's been to Tahiti (it's a magical place).
for instance, it was rather strongly alluded that the geegaw from episode 2 was nazi/hydra technology which had somehow been sent back in time 1500 years.Actually, I think they said that was brought over by Nazis who hid in that country after WW2 and the experiment went awry and they lost the device for 60 years. No time travel there.
Don't forget Mr. "Seal Team 6" :)
Actually, I think they said that was brought over by Nazis who hid in that country after WW2 and the experiment went awry and they lost the device for 60 years. No time travel there.
Episode 8 was directed by Jonathan Frakes.
There's something I hadn't noticed until just now. Episode 8 was directed by Jonathan Frakes.
I also chuckled a bit at the final scene.
"Did I fall asleep?"
"For a little while..."
* Question, is SHEILD even really a part of the american government? in Iron man it seemed to be, however...in Avengers they seemed to answer to "vague council of dumb ass decisions" instead of like you know, The President who is usually the person in charge of the Nuclear weapons.True story: The Pentagon was initially cooperating on the Avengers - providing things like digital models of the F-35s you see in the movie - but withdrew their cooperation because the command structure of SHIELD was "unrealistic".
True story: The Pentagon was initially cooperating on the Avengers - providing things like digital models of the F-35s you see in the movie - but withdrew their cooperation because the command structure of SHIELD was "unrealistic".
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/05/avengers-military/
Never mind super powers, an alien invasion, and "gods".
So, you aren't the only one asking that question.
That may be the stated reason, but if I were a betting man, I'd say it had more to do with the draw-downs, sequesters, etc.Nah. The Pentagon has a pretty long lasting relationship with Hollywood. Cooperating with production companies allows them to have a little leverage in how the military is portrayed in films and gets them some high-exposure PR for relatively low cost. When they withdrew support of the Avengers, all of the expensive parts of the process (i.e. lending out an Army Reserve MP batallion for filming in Cleveland) were complete. Meanwhile, they were hip deep in Zero Dark Thirty.
Nah. The Pentagon has a pretty long lasting relationship with Hollywood. Cooperating with production companies allows them to have a little leverage in how the military is portrayed in films and gets them some high-exposure PR for relatively low cost. When they withdrew support of the Avengers, all of the expensive parts of the process (i.e. lending out an Army Reserve MP batallion for filming in Cleveland) were complete. Meanwhile, they were hip deep in Zero Dark Thirty.Indeed.
Particularly if Skye is who I think she may be.
:-X
Lyc~
And that would be?
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And they're back to reruns until March now.
I liked the Abomination reference this week, too.
Glad I'm not the only one who caught that...
Yeah, a lot of it is down to the olympics followed on closely by sweeps week. that's the same reason NBC rushed Leno out the door 6 months before the official end of his contract, to book end the tonight show handover around the olympics and then sweeps.
Not a bad episode tonight.
I am thinkingneeds a better look though.Spoiler for Hidden:
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Okay, the folks at Marvel need a lesson in terminology, since Hand, in tonight's episode, made the same mistake that Captain America did in "The Avengers".
Before a mission, when you give the mission team the information that you have, and tell them what you think they can expect, that is a BRIEFING. A DEBRIEFING only happens AFTER the mission, when the mission team tell you how the mission actually went, what they saw, etc. It's so that you can figure out how good your intel is.
I'm thoroughly tired of hearing supposedly-professional characters call the PRE-mission meeting a "debriefing" or "debrief". Come on, Hollywood - LEARN SOMETHING about what you're portraying. Learning's really not that scary.
Carry on.
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I'm with Super Firebug. There was a conversation between Ward and Coulson with no audible dialogue.Blanks and fake blood? But then again, Coulson didn't seem to be overly fond of Hand anyway.
I think Ward has been sent on a mission by Coulson. The only thing is... How to explain Agent Hand?
I'm with Super Firebug. There was a conversation between Ward and Coulson with no audible dialogue.
I think Ward has been sent on a mission by Coulson. The only thing is... How to explain Agent Hand?
Blanks and fake blood? But then again, Coulson didn't seem to be overly fond of Hand anyway.
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So I was thinking that ...Spoiler for Hidden:
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+1 for the "file transfer." :)
In general, the show has come a long way from its slow beginning. Having the integration with CA:TWS (and Thor 2) has only given it that much more clout, in my eyes. I can't recall another movie/TV show relationship that has been so closely knit.
"Prepare for a large file transfer" ranks up there with the previous week's "what is a Man-Thing?" in terms of good quotes go. Of course the sight gag that follows is priceless.
Still the superhero show quote of the week goes to Arrow who had Summer Glau's supervillain monologing about how she's going to kill Felicity to Diggle only to get nailed by the van Felicity was driving.
"Oh, I really thought the airbags were going to go off."
I think though that Agents of Shield was renewed.
Confirmed this afternoon, actually. As well as announcing another Marvel series.
Link (http://tv.msn.com/tv/article.aspx?news=866411&ocid=ansent11)
This show is good now. Thank you Captain America 2.I'm willing to take a moment like that every now and again. Every dark fiction has to have light moments to break up the unrelenting grimdark. the problem before was that they were cramming those into every single episode, and often letting them drag on too long. it became less a part of the pacing and more a part of bad formula. Hopefully now that Cap is out of the way and no more main-line movies they can tie into will be coming down the pipes till at least next year (not much they can do to tie into ooga chaka) they can settle into better writing and less "drag it out till cap2 gets here"
But they still can't quite seem to get why it sucked before. I noticed they had to put in a scene where Skye and Fitz couldn't resist pressing buttons and acting a lot like Jar Jar Binks when a box of weapons was presented to them. "Hilarity" ensued. :roll:
Seriously? They can't see that stuff like that was part of the problem before?
I, too, was disappointed when Flash Forward got cancelled. It seems that the really cool shows don't make a second season. I also liked "The Event" and that got cancelled too. I think though that Agents of Shield was renewed.
I think the season finale was pretty good...Spoiler for Hidden:
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I predicted both shows would be canceled, because both were constructed based on a false premise: that audiences still wanted to watch shows that dangled "mysteries" in front of them that were really just annoying teasers. Lost really burned a lot of people not because of its controversial ending itself but because the writers explicitly promised that there were answers to all of the in-show mysteries and they would all be revealed, and then they reneged on that promise without any remorse, going so far as to tell the fans that they missed the point if they wanted those answers. Battlestar Galactica did the same thing, explicitly telling its audience that they had a grand plan for the show when they later admitted (and people figured out anyway) that they were just making it up as they were going along. Nobody trusts television writers anymore, and they are right to not trust them.
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I thought exactly the same thought.