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California Senator Tells Gamers to Quiet Down
« on: January 25, 2013, 08:50:15 PM »
I live in California and at the moment one of my elected officials has declared that gamers need to "Quiet Down." He declared we have a lust for violence in games, blanket bombing the entire community.

1) There is no causal link between game violence and real life violence. It has been proven time and again. Study after study. It's a witch hunt.

The same witch hunt comes up as an excuse every single time. Rock'n Roll, Comic Books, Fantasy/SciFi Genre Novels, Dungeons & Dragons, Cartoons, the list goes on and on.

2) Blanket label me? I'm a pacifist. I play semi-violent games (Diablo 3, Torchlight 2, World of Warcraft, City of Heroes.) Granted these games aren't the extreme the Sentaor (and his friends wants targeted) but they could become that type of game and probably will if they have their way.

My HUGE problem is I grew up with every single one of those examples being shoved at me by my mother as "evil" or "bad for me." But I'd like to think I turned out very well. As it stands I don't play games like Grand Theft Auto, Mortal combat, Call of Duty, but that is my choice. And I want it to remain as such. I abhore real world violence and while I didn't have the best parents in the world at least one message came across loud and clear, treat others as I want to be treated.

3) What is wrong with the country is this. Parents aren't as invoved as they should be in the low-middle class. Why? They have to work long hours and multiple jobs to keep their family in a secure neighborhood, put food on the table, pay the bills, etc.

What really needs to be the focus is getting parents home so they CAN be involved with their children.

4) Witch hunts need to stop. Next election I will strongly be encouraging the "Quieted" gamers to make their voice heard against this particular Senator.

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Re: California Senator Tells Gamers to Quiet Down
« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2013, 11:25:16 PM »
Politicians are inherently lazy when it comes to problem solving so instead of actually dealing with all the underlying issues would rather pursue a easy one step "fix".

The most obvious counter claim is that every time a political body has tried to restrict "violent" video games, it's been overturned and the court costs come out of the tax payers pocket.  1st Amendment Freedom of Speech is a bitch isn't it.  ;D

The same can be said about your Senator Feinstein's proposed ban on assault "style" weapons.  The problem is what she actually wants but won't say, besides the extreme of banning all guns (pesky 2nd Amendment), is banning semiautomatic and/or magazine fed weapons.  Problem is nobody will go for allowing only pump/bolt/lever action rifles and revolvers.  Because that's the "solution" to their arguments about ammo capacity and rate of fire.  I say that because their current proposed "solution" is a list of model numbers of specific weapons, general classification (so Senator, what defines an AR-15?) or a list of mostly cosmetic features that turns a rifle into a "assault style" rifle.  Yea, while you're at Senator define "European style luxury sedan".

Circling back to games where do you draw the line to define violence?  Remember the games that were force to change blood to green or people to zombies or aliens (or Nazis ... or zombie Nazis from space) to get around local government bans.  It's easy to point at games like Postal or Twisted Metal but what's the difference between a Halo or CoD?  Is it context?  CoH was labeled with "Violence" on the extended ESRB T rating, so is it automatically bad?

It goes back to people in positions of power politically who aren't into some non-mainstream activity deciding that activity is bad.  It doesn't matter if it's video games, comic books, hunting, competitive shooting, porn on the Internet, gambling on the Internet, these activities don't fit into their world view so it's okay to strictly regulate up to the point of banning these activities, "for the sake of the children".  Guess what?  The world is an unsafe place and always will be.  Some places in the world are less safe than others but you can not make it totally safe.  For you, your children, your spouse or your pets.  Learn to live with it. 

Children are fat today not because of video games but because the paranoia of parents who won't let their kids to go out to play anymore because they believe that child molesters/snatchers are as common as mosquitoes.  It's so bad that school buses in my area stop at every house so the parent can escort their child from front door to the bus.  In my case since I live at a condo complex parents drive to the entrance (which is at worse case 150 yards from any unit) to catch the bus with the kids waiting in the car.  When I was six I had to walk 1/4 mile to the other end of my street to catch the bus with all the other kids on my street.  If I missed my bus after school I would have to walk 3/4 of a mile home (a few years later when I was 9 or 10).  Yes it was suburbia but if anything it's more like the neighborhood I grew up in where I live today.  Why this paranoia?  Because every night on the news a sensational story about a missing child makes it seems like there's an epidemic is going on because people simply don't connect that few if any of those stories are near them.  I digress but a good piece about this can be read here (NYT), but I obviously digress.

With all the archery media in 2012, Arrow, The Hunger Games, Brave, it's only a matter of time until some nut job with a crossbow or longbow loses it and pegs a dozen or so individuals before being taken down and then it's going to be the next items to restrict.
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Re: California Senator Tells Gamers to Quiet Down
« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2013, 11:34:12 PM »
We are a society of wusses, looking for more and more measures of illusionary security.

Around here, kids aren't even allowed to get off the bus. I have sat behind a bus blocking the road for minutes at a time because some kid's parent wasn't at the corner in her car on time. Why? Likely because there's some imaginary pedophile lurking around every corner. The real epidemic isn't the crimes. It's the amount of paranoia in this country. And it's the loss of community that has led to it. Nobody knows each other anymore. Our next door neighbors are unknown people, and the 'unknown' always lures our imaginations into the realm of fear.

Everyone tells children it's ludicrous to be afraid of the basement just because they "think" there might be monster down there. But if were the adults who were afraid of it, we'd be passing legislation to put a ban on basements.

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Re: California Senator Tells Gamers to Quiet Down
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2013, 03:15:48 PM »
Is it time for another call to action? Do we hold up City of Heroes as an example? Should we be sending people like this letters about how this game was one for all ages? Maybe send him and others like him some of the testimonials from the Save Paragon board?
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Re: California Senator Tells Gamers to Quiet Down
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2013, 04:09:23 PM »
Is it time for another call to action? Do we hold up City of Heroes as an example? Should we be sending people like this letters about how this game was one for all ages? Maybe send him and others like him some of the testimonials from the Save Paragon board?

As a part of our movement, I have no idea. But as simply a good thing to do, I'd say yes.

Perhaps even get in contact with the playerbase or developers of some other games and see if they have their own testimonials list. Not games like GTA and Mortal Kombat obviously, but ones more along our lines. Games that encourage cooperation and strategy rather than rewarding violence and cutthroat competition.

In City of Heroes our primary purpose for being there was to rescue and protect the citizens... that is a great thing to teach children. I see no reason not to make people aware that games like that exist as well. A co-ordinated effort from a number of different games at once, all sending in their own unique testimonial lists... that could make for a good news story or two.

While we probably won't deter folks like this senator from their witch hunt against games, we just might succeed in convincing them that not every game is a witch that needs burnin'.

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Re: California Senator Tells Gamers to Quiet Down
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2013, 05:53:45 PM »
Violence and gore in media serves one purpose: to forcefully seize the attention of the innocent.

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« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2013, 06:33:40 PM »
 I'm glad that this often-overlooked issue is finally getting national and governmental attention, although the amount of shootings it has taken to get us to this level of recognition greatly saddens me.  And I don't like the fact that some would try and point the finger (as has been done many times in the past) at video gaming as being at the root cause of it.

Perhaps the government should focus on educating parents better, not only about video game ratings, but also about the behavioral danger signs that require psychiatric screenings.  They should also educate families on the danger signs from their own family histories, as mental health issues often run in families.

It would be nice if gun permit applicants' family histories were scanned and their own mental health was routinely screened by competent professionals before and after they were granted gun licenses as well.

Lastly, the general populace needs to have a more open attitude about mental health.  Until it is as acceptable to talk about bipolar, schizophrenia, alcoholism, drug abuse and other related issues as it is about cancer or heart disease, people will continue to "play it close to the chest" as Adam Lanza's mother reportedly did concerning her son's mental health.  She had plans to take care of him for the rest of his life, she had told people she hated to even leave him alone for long, and the general consensus is that she knew a lot more than she would talk about with anyone.

Heh, now don't you wish I'd just go back to lamenting about City of Heroes' closure?   :P

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Re: California Senator Tells Gamers to Quiet Down
« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2013, 10:49:10 PM »
Mr. Senator, quiet down please.  You're blanket bombing our entire community.  :)
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Re: California Senator Tells Gamers to Quiet Down
« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2013, 02:45:22 AM »
No, no, let him be bombastic, and hopefully he'll McCarthy his way into making all this stupidness ridiculous.

Then again, it may be that we wind up in the Orwellian society 'They' dream of...

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Re: California Senator Tells Gamers to Quiet Down
« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2013, 02:51:41 AM »
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Follow the money, folks.  Chances are he is getting huge campaign contributions from the NRA.  It's guaranteed he is getting nothing from the gaming industry.  Thus, the gaming industry becomes the safe target du jour.  Because he has to say something.  A politician cannot be seen to be saying nothing in the face of a big news item.

So perhaps an examination of his campaign contributions, followed by an inquiry that goes something like "Senator, we've noted that you got $X from the NRA, would that be why you are saying nothing about guns themselves?"  The closer you can shape the question in the form "Senator, when did you stop beating your wife?" the better.

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Re: California Senator Tells Gamers to Quiet Down
« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2013, 11:59:46 PM »
Listen to the 'mustn'ts'. Listen to the 'don'ts'. Listen to the 'shouldn'ts', the 'impossibles', the 'won'ts'. Listen to the 'you'll never haves', then listen close to me... Anything can happen . Anything can be.

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Re: California Senator Tells Gamers to Quiet Down
« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2013, 03:12:43 AM »
In this case, I'm less concerned about the movement than the fact that we have a relatively unified group who, regardless of political party, can refute this guy's viewpoint. If games like ours are going to be wrongly held up as examples of what is wrong with society, we have a responsibility to bury this pancake eating unicorn in letters illustrating the error in his thinking.
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Re: California Senator Tells Gamers to Quiet Down
« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2013, 03:53:25 AM »
well It's no fun to be placed into blanket box. But then again, within this post even, there is some blanketing going on, especially with politicians.


I think this politician's statement is false, just like any other over generalization of a group. He might have came across a few gamers that fit his description to the teeth but on average, we all just average people. Some are nutty, some are pacifists, some are extreme, some are mellow, some like blood, some cant stand the sight of it, some are old, some are young. But too many times in many people's head gamers=young angry violent anti-social animal torturers that put gaming over RL and thus never succeed at anything besides games. When in reality, we come from just as many backgrounds and thought processes as people that live on this planet. But I cant be outraged at that generalization. I see it too often and if I expressed outrage at it on this forum, then I probably be pegged as over reacting. But wrong is still wrong in my book regardless who does it the target or the moral standing of the target or initiator. But each person have their own book. 

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Re: California Senator Tells Gamers to Quiet Down
« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2013, 04:24:17 PM »
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Follow the money, folks.  Chances are he is getting huge campaign contributions from the NRA.  It's guaranteed he is getting nothing from the gaming industry.  Thus, the gaming industry becomes the safe target du jour.  Because he has to say something.  A politician cannot be seen to be saying nothing in the face of a big news item.

So perhaps an examination of his campaign contributions, followed by an inquiry that goes something like "Senator, we've noted that you got $X from the NRA, would that be why you are saying nothing about guns themselves?"  The closer you can shape the question in the form "Senator, when did you stop beating your wife?" the better.

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The probably will dodge the answer to that question.

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Re: California Senator Tells Gamers to Quiet Down
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Re: California Senator Tells Gamers to Quiet Down
« Reply #15 on: January 28, 2013, 10:47:32 PM »
Thank you Healix! Beat me to it!

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Re: California Senator Tells Gamers to Quiet Down
« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2013, 02:09:23 AM »
We are a society of wusses, looking for more and more measures of illusionary security.



We are also a society of people who cannot take responsibility for their own actions.. Nope, it's always the fault of someone else... Never our own, we must always find a scape goat! Whether it be video games, movies, or that fluffy bunny outside that stares into my soul and tells me to do horrible things!


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Re: California Senator Tells Gamers to Quiet Down
« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2013, 02:25:07 AM »
Funny, did that Senator tell Hollywood to quiet down??  I'm so sick of people blaming anything and everything for peoples actions.  A gun is an inanimate object incapable of causing any damage without a person holding it.  A video game, movie or song may be inspiring in a good or bad way, but the decision to do harm ultimately lies with a person.  Instead of using entertainment as a scapegoat, I'd like to offer an alternative.  Look at things like parenting, social environment, and general upbringing.  If you not taught right from wrong, it's pretty clear there is an issue.

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Re: California Senator Tells Gamers to Quiet Down
« Reply #18 on: January 29, 2013, 02:25:16 AM »
Funny, did that Senator tell Hollywood to quiet down??  I'm so sick of people blaming anything and everything for peoples actions.  A gun is an inanimate object incapable of causing any damage without a person holding it.  A video game, movie or song may be inspiring in a good or bad way, but the decision to do harm ultimately lies with a person.  Instead of using entertainment as a scapegoat, I'd like to offer an alternative.  Look at things like parenting, social environment, and general upbringing.  If you not taught right from wrong, it's pretty clear there is an issue.
 
We are also a society of people who cannot take responsibility for their own actions.. Nope, it's always the fault of someone else... Never our own, we must always find a scape goat! Whether it be video games, movies, or that fluffy bunny outside that stares into my soul and tells me to do horrible things!
+1 both of these. Totally agree.

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Re: California Senator Tells Gamers to Quiet Down
« Reply #19 on: January 29, 2013, 04:31:47 AM »
The probably will dodge the answer to that question.

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Re: California Senator Tells Gamers to Quiet Down
« Reply #20 on: January 29, 2013, 04:40:43 AM »
Damn it!  Someone told me that was _music_!  Those bastards.. now what am I going to do with these trombones and this oboe?!?
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Re: California Senator Tells Gamers to Quiet Down
« Reply #21 on: January 29, 2013, 05:30:12 AM »
Since the media was brought into play on a post, I have to point out a headline on MSN yesterday. "Gun in Il kills woman's 4th child".  There again is the lazy way out in the media too.  I'm not getting into the gun control argument, but that headline did make it sound as if the gun got up and attacked the child.  It's all in the way things are worded.  Our elected officials do the same thing.  "Violence in video games causes violence in our children"  Easy to say and plenty of "experts" to prove and disprove the idea. 

While there are a couple of games, MMO or not, that have fluffy bunnies and puppies...they are few and far between.  I have played plenty of FPS games too, but never have I thought it could ever apply to r/l. 


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Re: California Senator Tells Gamers to Quiet Down
« Reply #22 on: January 29, 2013, 06:14:52 AM »
"Gun in Il kills woman's 4th child".

Wow. Obvious propaganda is obvious.

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Re: California Senator Tells Gamers to Quiet Down
« Reply #23 on: January 29, 2013, 12:22:52 PM »
/em cynic on

Follow the money, folks.  Chances are he is getting huge campaign contributions from the NRA.  It's guaranteed he is getting nothing from the gaming industry.  Thus, the gaming industry becomes the safe target du jour.  Because he has to say something.  A politician cannot be seen to be saying nothing in the face of a big news item.

So perhaps an examination of his campaign contributions, followed by an inquiry that goes something like "Senator, we've noted that you got $X from the NRA, would that be why you are saying nothing about guns themselves?"  The closer you can shape the question in the form "Senator, when did you stop beating your wife?" the better.

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That and he's probably trying to curry favor with all the groups that frequently go on a crusade against video games.
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